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Friday, March 17, 2006
Snakes, Shamrocks & Misconceptions
As many of you know, today is St. Patrick's Day. It's a religious and national holiday in Ireland but mostly a drinking holiday in the States. How many people actually know the truth behind the holiday?
Oh, Saint Patrick. Sure, sure. He drove the snakes out of Ireland!
Not so much. Snakes haven't been on Ireland for millenia as the ground stays frozen year round. Snakes are cold blooded and cannot survive in such climes. Don't believe me? Read Dr. George Johnson's explanation. It's not as scientific an article as I'd like, as there is much of his opinion and feelings in it, but I figure it would help sway any doubters out there.
So who or what did Saint Patrick drive out of Ireland? Pagans of course. What people he couldn't convert to christianity he drove into hiding, some might have fled the country, others were killed and fewer still remained openly pagan.
Good!! Pagans are bad! Evil! Satan worshippers! Go SP!
Oh get over yourself already! Pagans are just people who find the divinity in nature, the earth, the seasons, the animals, cycles of life, and within themselves. They don't worship satan. Shoot in most pagan belief systems there is NO satan, no hell to worship. The majority of christian holidays are based on pagan ones. Yet another example of religious persecution, taking popular pagan holidays, denouncing them, yet founding a christian holiday within a couple days to help with conversion. But I digress, today's entry is about Saint Patrick, snake shooer awayer.
Why is it said that SP rid Ireland of snakes? Other than the obvious there are no snakes there (except for any kept in homes as pets, that is). The serpent is an oft used symbol in many pagan beliefs. The Basecamp web site hypothisizes that SP put an end to pagans openly displaying serpent symbols, thereby driving the snakes out of Ireland. Snakes have also been compared to the people themselves. The pagans left, were converted, went into hiding. Poof! No more snakes!
Is it any wonder that J.K. Rowling chose serpents to be the symbol of the "bad" house in her best selling series? That the evil characters are from that house? That the constant ..bully (for lack of better word) has the name Snape? It sounds like you're hissing when you say it and it's easily mistook for the word snake.
This just amuses me as so many christians are in an uproar about the books because of the use of magic. Whatever. We can all take any story an interpret it to suit our needs. Our beliefs. Then badger others when they don't see things our way. Claim they don't see the light, aren't divine, are evil, what-have-you. We just all need to stop, listen and think.
As for the shamrock, well that's another thing that was considered sacred to many pagans. Saint Patrick was crafty and preached that the three leaves represented the christian holy trinity, not the pagan holy trinity. In christianity it's the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. In pagan beliefs it is the Maiden, Mother and Crone. Interesting, isn't it, that in the christian beliefs it's all about the male and in pagan beliefs it's all about the female?
Anyway, on this not so cheery holiday, I figure I'll do my work, read a little, have some Thai food and drink my diet mountain dew. I don't have any green on, not by design really, I was just in a hurry this morning and just put on the first things I grabbed. Thankfully t-shirt and jeans rarely clash.
Oh, Saint Patrick. Sure, sure. He drove the snakes out of Ireland!
Not so much. Snakes haven't been on Ireland for millenia as the ground stays frozen year round. Snakes are cold blooded and cannot survive in such climes. Don't believe me? Read Dr. George Johnson's explanation. It's not as scientific an article as I'd like, as there is much of his opinion and feelings in it, but I figure it would help sway any doubters out there.
So who or what did Saint Patrick drive out of Ireland? Pagans of course. What people he couldn't convert to christianity he drove into hiding, some might have fled the country, others were killed and fewer still remained openly pagan.
Good!! Pagans are bad! Evil! Satan worshippers! Go SP!
Oh get over yourself already! Pagans are just people who find the divinity in nature, the earth, the seasons, the animals, cycles of life, and within themselves. They don't worship satan. Shoot in most pagan belief systems there is NO satan, no hell to worship. The majority of christian holidays are based on pagan ones. Yet another example of religious persecution, taking popular pagan holidays, denouncing them, yet founding a christian holiday within a couple days to help with conversion. But I digress, today's entry is about Saint Patrick, snake shooer awayer.
Why is it said that SP rid Ireland of snakes? Other than the obvious there are no snakes there (except for any kept in homes as pets, that is). The serpent is an oft used symbol in many pagan beliefs. The Basecamp web site hypothisizes that SP put an end to pagans openly displaying serpent symbols, thereby driving the snakes out of Ireland. Snakes have also been compared to the people themselves. The pagans left, were converted, went into hiding. Poof! No more snakes!
Is it any wonder that J.K. Rowling chose serpents to be the symbol of the "bad" house in her best selling series? That the evil characters are from that house? That the constant ..bully (for lack of better word) has the name Snape? It sounds like you're hissing when you say it and it's easily mistook for the word snake.
This just amuses me as so many christians are in an uproar about the books because of the use of magic. Whatever. We can all take any story an interpret it to suit our needs. Our beliefs. Then badger others when they don't see things our way. Claim they don't see the light, aren't divine, are evil, what-have-you. We just all need to stop, listen and think.
As for the shamrock, well that's another thing that was considered sacred to many pagans. Saint Patrick was crafty and preached that the three leaves represented the christian holy trinity, not the pagan holy trinity. In christianity it's the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. In pagan beliefs it is the Maiden, Mother and Crone. Interesting, isn't it, that in the christian beliefs it's all about the male and in pagan beliefs it's all about the female?
Anyway, on this not so cheery holiday, I figure I'll do my work, read a little, have some Thai food and drink my diet mountain dew. I don't have any green on, not by design really, I was just in a hurry this morning and just put on the first things I grabbed. Thankfully t-shirt and jeans rarely clash.
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Hmmm. Well, this certainly raised my curiosity enough to look up what St. Patrick's life was like. But I have some disagreements with this. I have plenty of disagreements with Christianity, too. I'm an equal-opportunity malcontent.
SP definitely had an issue with Paganism, but like most historical figures, there was some good and bad. Saying he "drove out" the Pagans may be an overstatement. He was one person in a time period when all of Europe was in turmoil because the Roman troops were withdrawing. Christians were moving into Pagan areas, Pagans were moving into Christian areas, etc. SP was responsible for converting people and building churches and schools. You can call that a system of brainwashing or a plan to improve the quality of life in Ireland. To-may-to, to-mah-to.
So what was St. Patrick's beef with Pagans, anyway? Well, he became a devout Christian while he was a slave of a Druid high priest. He escaped, and when he went back to Ireland to preach, he expected to be killed or enslaved again. So, in addition to being pro-Christian, and anti-Pagan, he was also was against all forms of slavery (a unique view for his time).
" Pagans are just people who find the divinity in nature, the earth, the seasons, the animals, cycles of life, and within themselves…The majority of Christian holidays are based on Pagan ones. Yet another example of religious persecution"
I'm all for freedom of religion, as long as the religion doesn't involve pyramid schemes or the stockpiling of weapons. But let's face it: people can be violent. Some people use religion—any religion—to move away from that violence and find peace. Some people use religion—any religion—as an excuse to be more violent.
Blame Christianity if you want, but I'll bet that the Pagan holidays that the Christians re-used were themselves originally some other holiday, used by some other Pagans, until a different tribe or a different religious leader took over and made everyone convert. And modern Paganism is actually several different religions (Wicca, Reconstruction, etc), each with its own version of old holidays, altering them to suit their beliefs. It's just something people do. Some conversions are more violent than others, but that has to do with the time period and the people involved.
As for the shamrock...it's not entirely clear what a shamrock IS. Botanist Charles Nelson asked Irish people to send him shamrocks, and he ended up with several different plants, most of them different varieties of clover. And old Irish documents of St. Patrick make no mention of shamrock = trinity teaching, so that may be something that was created later and attributed to St. Patrick.
Now, if you want to talk about that bastard St. Valentine…
Just kidding! ;)
Marie
SP definitely had an issue with Paganism, but like most historical figures, there was some good and bad. Saying he "drove out" the Pagans may be an overstatement. He was one person in a time period when all of Europe was in turmoil because the Roman troops were withdrawing. Christians were moving into Pagan areas, Pagans were moving into Christian areas, etc. SP was responsible for converting people and building churches and schools. You can call that a system of brainwashing or a plan to improve the quality of life in Ireland. To-may-to, to-mah-to.
So what was St. Patrick's beef with Pagans, anyway? Well, he became a devout Christian while he was a slave of a Druid high priest. He escaped, and when he went back to Ireland to preach, he expected to be killed or enslaved again. So, in addition to being pro-Christian, and anti-Pagan, he was also was against all forms of slavery (a unique view for his time).
" Pagans are just people who find the divinity in nature, the earth, the seasons, the animals, cycles of life, and within themselves…The majority of Christian holidays are based on Pagan ones. Yet another example of religious persecution"
I'm all for freedom of religion, as long as the religion doesn't involve pyramid schemes or the stockpiling of weapons. But let's face it: people can be violent. Some people use religion—any religion—to move away from that violence and find peace. Some people use religion—any religion—as an excuse to be more violent.
Blame Christianity if you want, but I'll bet that the Pagan holidays that the Christians re-used were themselves originally some other holiday, used by some other Pagans, until a different tribe or a different religious leader took over and made everyone convert. And modern Paganism is actually several different religions (Wicca, Reconstruction, etc), each with its own version of old holidays, altering them to suit their beliefs. It's just something people do. Some conversions are more violent than others, but that has to do with the time period and the people involved.
As for the shamrock...it's not entirely clear what a shamrock IS. Botanist Charles Nelson asked Irish people to send him shamrocks, and he ended up with several different plants, most of them different varieties of clover. And old Irish documents of St. Patrick make no mention of shamrock = trinity teaching, so that may be something that was created later and attributed to St. Patrick.
Now, if you want to talk about that bastard St. Valentine…
Just kidding! ;)
Marie
Funny you should mention Diet Mountain Dew and St Patty's Day at the same time. I keep telling everyone the new Tuned Up Taste version of Diet Mountain Dew tastes like leprechaun pee. I can't believe they took away our Diet Dew! I was ticked off enough to start an online petition and website. If you don't like the new stuff, stop by. We've already got 1,000 signatures.
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